are they white or they occupy a good portion of your book? >> guest: 's tim and beverly lahaye are less well-known than they should be. they actually were involved in very important religious movements from the 1960s through the very late 1990s. they were part of a research and evangelical culture. they, like so many other southern evangelicals, migrated to california, set up mega-churches, educational institutions and eventually became differently involved in politics. beverly lahaye who is a particular interest of mine in this book, founded a group called concerned women for america which still claims to be the largest women's political organization in the united states. she based her organization on five spiritual principles, the bible, the family, patriotism, the sanctity of marriage, the sanctity of life and she began to litigate, arguing that religious parents should have more control for example over what their children were taught in school, arguing that the era, the equal rights amendment for women was a violation of the fundamental order of things, and winning many of these cases.